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Friday, November 03, 2006

Education Funding

By Lyle Hillyard

Senate Chair of Executive Appropriations

The Legislature is always cutting education funding? Baloney. Click the picture, above, to listen. But first, take a look at these numbers. The first page charts the money we spent in each school district from 1990 to 2005. Page two tracks the number of students enrolled.

Once you have the documents in front of you, click here to listen to the MP3.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

We won't be satisfied until per pupil spending is the highest in the nation. If that means tax rates of 90%, then so be it.

Shut up and pay your taxes and don't tell us to improve test scores!!! We are the experts, not you.

11/04/2006 10:36 PM  
Anonymous BillUngerman said...

I can appreciate anonymous' comments here. Sometimes it's how I respond.

The issue for me is not necessarily the money. I DO think SPECIFIC earmarks are great though such as the Reading Initiative (e.g. using it for a reading specialist).

There are several factors to be included in test scores besides money, even with individual circumstances there are several. Two that are increasingly becoming larger are the increasingly diverse Utah school population and the fact that a larger amount of children are being tested (e.g. those with "disabilities" being tested at grade level").

What's needed is money spent in the right places, but also looking at other nontax sources for funding.

We need common sense solutions, NOT ones by sepcial interest groups with an agenda against public educaiton OR the other end who seems to say gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. It's time for PEOPLE not politics to take center stage. Throw out the politics and the special interests and get down to real solutions.

11/05/2006 4:30 AM  
Anonymous billungerman said...

Hehehe. Please not the spelling on education is a typo.

11/05/2006 4:36 AM  
Anonymous The Man said...

Democrat Adam Ford, running against Howard Stephenson, is the biggest proponent of the Big Lie. He claims that the $269 million increase was just ONE TIME money that the schools won't be getting in future years.

I think Ford must have worked for Enron. He told me that the real increase in education spending (this year only) was $269 million minus the tax cut, or about $194 million net. This is a classic case of subtracting the tax cut TWICE. Without the tax cut the increase would have been $269 million plus $78 million (static analysis).

11/06/2006 12:58 PM  
Anonymous Strawberryfieldsfrvr@yahoo.com said...

Hey anonymous, is that how you talk to your students?

11/06/2006 1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nebo district is listed at getting 218,116,833 for 2005. That would be a dream budget for us. Our final budget for the 2005-06 school year for ALL funding sources was only $163,695,570. Our sources from the State was $100,427,971. The other funds were from local revenues and federal sources. Obviously the figures here include the monies from bonds that were sold to build. That's like counting your home mortgage as income.

We have been growing by an average of 800 students every year since about 1998. That is the equivalent of one new elementary school each year. This growth also means new busses, increased fuel costs, teachers, staff, supplies and on and on for that many new students. Our citizens are the best and have voted to support these bonds.

Being one of the poorest district in the state (we generate fewer dollars because of lower property valuations and fewer businesses than most) keeping up with growth while providing a quality education is challenging, especially with the reduction in property tax rates in the past 10 years. Our teachers DO deserve better.

Even the study by the Utah Foundation supported the fact that education funding in Utah is not the level that it once was.

It's this kind of misinformation that continues to create problems for public education. It's all open record. If you think that the money is being wasted or squandered, run for school board and find out the truth! I did and now I see the "other" side that I could not see before.

Only annonymous because I don't have a blogger account and don't want one.


11/06/2006 4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one thing in educational finance that hasn't increased is the state's portion for buildings. There has been very little increase since the 70's despite the tremendous increase in numbers of students and costs of building. As a result our buildings have more than doubled in size. We have not kept up with growth. We may well be further behind in this capital expense than we are in roads. That may seem frugal, but it is not. It costs to bus students. It costs parents to transport and attend events of students. It increases congestion on highways.
Big schools also give poorer results, especially to lower socioeconomic groups, and have many more problems including more violence, drug abuse, and gangs. These problems cost more money as well.
This is one area we have not kept up on and it is costing us.
A Different Anonymous

11/06/2006 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comments Rep. Cox, but a smaller school/school district is still a monopoly. What we need is choice, which is what Rep. Sumsion will vote for.

11/06/2006 7:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm among those tired of hearing education endlessly asking for more...and especially tired of hearing that Utah has the lowest per pupil spending in the country as justification for more.

Utah has the highest family size in the country and lower than average household income...that will always then mean a lower per pupil spending on everything. Lowest per pupil spending on healthcare, transportation, etc., etc.

It is a zero sum game...everytime we have to give education more we have to take it from something else...lately that's been through more taxes - I'm tired of it!

11/07/2006 1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the last anonymous - You think you're tired? Try teaching 35 Kindergarten students in one class!

11/09/2006 2:18 PM  
Anonymous Southern Utah Teacher said...

Common sense solutions doesn't mean throwing more money at it. I just think we need to get creative and figure out how to save it. Seems to me there is an "anti-education" agenda just as much as anything. The people for choice really just want public education to go away so they don't have to pay income tax anymore.

11/09/2006 3:54 PM  

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