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Saturday, November 18, 2006


The 2006 Redistricting Committee will meet twice next week: Monday and Tuesday at 8:00 a.m. at the State Capitol (W135). Both of these meetings are open to the public.

We have tentative plans to hold public hearings throughout the state the week after Thanksgiving.

Love to have you join us. Everyone but Ethan.

We also plan to set up an E-mail address to take input from those who are not able to attend a hearing. Look for it on the Official Site next week.
Monday's Agenda:
1. Committee Business

2. Overview of Redistricting: The Committee will discuss past redistricting processes and current legal guidelines.

3. Committee Organization: The Committee will consider adopting redistricting principles, committee procedures and protocols, and schedule meetings and public hearings.

4. Four District Congressional Plan: The Committee will begin discussion of four district congressional plans.
Tuesday's meeting will include public comment. Find the agenda here.


Blogger The Senate Site said...

P.S. Just kidding about Ethan.

11/18/2006 4:51 PM  
Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

US Constitution, Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

11/18/2006 11:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You republican gerrymandering jerks suck!

11/19/2006 9:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just want to commend Ric (or whoever else might be writing for Senate Site) on handling all the criticism in these comments so well. I have some serious qualms about this bill like many do, but I appreciate Senate Site's calm responses to all the criticism. Very civil and statesmanly behavior. Bravo!

(Some of the commenters should learn to behave more civilly, too).

11/20/2006 10:49 AM  
Anonymous Brian Watkins said...

I attende the hearing today and liveblogged it at Brian's Utah Weblog. Will the proposed maps and adopted committee principles and guidelines go up on the legislature's site soon?

11/20/2006 11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This entire proposal undermines the US Constitution and the only beneficiaries will be whoever gets elected to Congress and that person's cronies. There is no real benefit to Utah voters. The marginal addition of one vote in the House will NOT make it easier to pass pro-Utah legislation, because (remember, this is the whole point!) there will be a counterbalancing Democrat vote from DC as well! An individual Utah voter won't get more political power or earmarked legislation. And giving a House vote to DC will just open a Pandora's Box of political controversy. If DC gets a vote in the House, why not TWO in the Senate? If DC gets votes, why not Guam and Puerto Rico? And Utah will be unable to object on constitutional grounds.

11/20/2006 1:01 PM  
Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

I agree with several of the points made here:

1) Ric Cantrell has done a great job. This site has been a wonderful tool in connecting voters with senators, and with providing important information to both. Thanks Ric, you're awesome.

2) It really is a terrible mistake for Utah to rush after this fourth seat. What little we gain (almost nothing, really) just isn't worth what we give up (Constitutional supremacy and Federalism).

3) We all need to be more civil in how treat one another.

I urge our representatives, most of whom are outstanding people, to please do everything they can to scuttle this compromise deal with DC. It is bad for the country.

11/20/2006 2:29 PM  
Anonymous Brian Watkins said...

Three of the maps are up now that were handed out at the hearing.

11/20/2006 3:09 PM  
Anonymous R. Cantrell said...

Aww shucks.

11/20/2006 4:07 PM  
Blogger The Senate Site said...

We just posted links to the first four map drafts and published the E-mail address to which redistricting comments can be sent (REDISTRICTING@utah.gov).

Thanks for the heads-up, Brian.

11/20/2006 4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many people seem to assume that if we don't get the fourth seat for Utah then DC won't get their (likely Democratic) seat either. I don't believe that is true any longer. A Democratic controlled congress and Senate w/a President who won't veto this...as he's going to want his other "more important" agenda items supported...will result in DC getting their seat with or without Utah...Utah might as well try and get the fourth seat now.

11/20/2006 5:16 PM  
Blogger Alienated Wannabe said...

That is an interesting point, but if Utah is taken out of the mix then the compromise falls apart. The conservative Republicans in congress would then be free to vote their conscience and oppose the legislation on constitutional grounds.

And, however much the President may want to work with the Democrats, most pundits I have heard say that he really has no hope of passing anything of consequence that he would want anyway. Like it or not, his legacy will be the War in Iraq. Look for him to focus his energies upon that above all else.

Now, as for the President fearing to alienate the Democrats by vetoing this bad piece of legislation, I believe he would actually have more to fear from alienating his conservative base by signing it. The Democrats that passionately support this bill are quite few compared to the Republicans who passionately oppose it.

The President needs his base (the people who love him) more than he needs to pander to the Democrats (the people who hate him). Someone will surely remind him of that.

Interestingly, the same holds true for any local leader who hopes to gain the newly created fourth seat. If he is seen as having trampled the Constitution in order to serve his personal political ambitions then he essentially will have cut his own throat. It will come up in convention, where the conservatives dominate, and he will lose.

In short, it would be a mistake for anyone who depends upon the Republican conservative base to underestimate the passionate feelings possessed by those who appose this dreadful piece of legislation. Hopefully the wise will take note and do the right thing.

11/21/2006 1:57 PM  

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