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Friday, January 05, 2007

Teacher’s Salaries

SLCSpin: The Big Con

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we were to equate value to society with income, teachers are vastly underpaid. When we factor in education level, current supply level, benefits that most in the private sector no longer receive, and job security, they're not doing too bad.

We should maybe ask if our students' needs are being met and if they are, will they continue to be met at the current level of teacher compensation, community support, and public education funding?

We've done well so far but it may not last much longer. If we paid teachers salaries they could be proud of, could it be at the cost of their job security, as in other professions, and would that be worth it to them, and to taxpayers?

1/05/2007 12:07 PM  
Anonymous Tom said...

With a title like "Teacher Salaries", you're asking a different question than they are--the focus of their article is really the effect of unions on teacher compensation.

One of the comments made there which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that annualizing teacher salaries is a poor indication, as it is difficult to find short-term full-time summer work in a similar salary range.

Part of the trouble Utah has is that teacher salaries (working conditions, morale) have been low for so long that we don't have enough teachers in the pipeline to staff anticipated openings, even if the student population remained unchanged--and we're at the front end of a population wave.

1/05/2007 2:57 PM  
Blogger The Senate Site said...

Anonymous and Tom:

As we posted this link to Ethan's blog I suspected we would get nothing more than angry knee-jerk reactions in response, due to the contentiousness of the subject matter.

Thanks for restoring my faith in the blogosphere.

P.S. No one here thinks we've over-funded education, but the reality is different and more detailed than what you might read on your neighbor's yard sign or hear from someone trying to score political points. I suspect it's going to take more than just propaganda from the warring factions to find a real solution for our kids. Thanks for your thoughful insight.

1/06/2007 10:14 PM  
Anonymous Marie said...

I suspect it's going to take more than just propaganda from the warring factions to find a real solution for our kids. Thanks for your thoughful insight.

This is true. The real solution has already been found for those who are truly looking for it. The key three words "for our kids", and let's emphasize "our". The real solution is for the parents of "our kids" to be invested in the kids' eduacation. I've seen this solution working in my own home, and I know it's working for many other kids, too, because you can see how well Utah does with numbers of students completing high school, going on to get higher education, etc. in contrast to the rest of the nation. And these results even with the "lower" funding!

Now as to "The Big Con", I've posted on SLCSpin my thoughts. We are paying more in property taxes, which gives more to the school districts (look at your property tax bill and you will see that the highest percentage of your bill goes directly to the school district). Their revenue goes up, but teacher salary, class-size, supplies, etc. all seems unchanged (of if you listen to their plea to vote for bonds/leeways, things are getting even worse!). I think I've mentioned this when Sen. Hillyard was asking for thoughts on the topic of class-size. Why does that little story from my elementary school days come to mind right now? You know, the one about the shepherd who cried wolf?

1/08/2007 1:45 PM  
Blogger y-intercept said...

It seems that one hurdle with all government programs is that people get paid for having problems. Fixing the problem makes the money go away. So, if large classroom size and low teacher pay are a driving force for getting more money into a district. Districts are stupid to kill the cash by hiring teachers or raising salaries.

The best bet for solving this issue would start with making something else such as total spending per pupil the driving metric for funding.

1/10/2007 1:17 AM  

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