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Representative Chris Herrod re: Misinformation on Immigration Issues

Representative Chris Herrod sent an interesting Email to state legislators this morning. Thought some of you would want to read it.

>>> Chris Herrod 7/10/2009 11:28 AM >>>
July 9, 2009 – Information from Representative Christopher N. Herrod

Dear Representatives and Senators,

Over the past few months, a tremendous amount of misinformation about illegal immigration in Utah and SB 81 has been given. Salt Lake City’s Police Chief and others have propagated faulty information to the public. SLCPD gave me misleading and false information when I requested information to back up the Police Chief’s comments made on KSL radio. The most recent misinformation is the Sutherland Institute’s “Just the Facts” and a Deseret News’ Editorial which recited Sutherland’s “facts”. In order to save embarrassment for anyone who may be referencing Sutherland’s essay or the Deseret News Editorial, let me state that the Sutherland Institute clearly does not understand Utah’s correctional system especially “State Contract” inmates.

Sutherland claims to have obtained “county jail population.” According to their table, they claim that Beaver County has 370 county inmates (considering Beaver County has a population of only 6200 people, I would worry for Representative Noel’s and Senator Stowell’s safety when visiting Beaver County if something was not obviously wrong with statistics.) Sutherland does not understand that 361 of the 370 inmates are actually “State Contract” inmates and belong to the state. These inmates cannot be used as a sampling for county inmates and crime. Sutherland lists 80 inmates for Daggett County yet 68 of these are state inmates. Box Elder is listed as 125 but 36 are state inmates. Kane County is listed as 26 yet 10 are state inmates. Carbon is listed as 72 yet 6 are state inmates. All of these counties had “zero” immigration holds according to Sutherland’s data so removing them changes the percentage.

For Salt Lake County Jail, Sutherland lists only 29 inmates on federal hold. Yet, monthly reports by the Salt Lake County Jail from January to May of 2009 show no month with less than 85 inmates detained for an immigration hold. The average is 106.2 inmates. The average bookings per month were higher than Sutherland listed with an average of 3,086.4 inmates per months. This equates to an average of 3.44% of inmates on federal hold. This is significantly higher than the 1% Sutherland reported.

Correct for just the errors in Beaver, Box Elder, Carbon, Daggett, and Kane Counties as well as using an average of 3.44 % of inmates on federal hold for Salt Lake County, and the “undocumented” portion in county jails jumps to 5.2%. But there are still other factors which lead to an underrepresentation in county jails. Sutherland assumes that everyone who is illegal has been identified. If the county jail does not have a cross-deputized officer, many illegal aliens are never identified. This is precisely what part of SB 81 is trying to address. ICE has limited resources and cannot always make it to a county jail.
Sutherland did not account for recidivism rates. Obviously, if illegal aliens are deported even after their entire sentence is served, they will be less likely to be around for the cumulative effect of repeat offenders. Higher rates of outstanding warrants are also not factored by Sutherland. For example, of the 40 murders in the state of Utah in 2008, five cases have no suspects. Three have suspects/person of interests who have not been apprehended. All three are suspected illegal immigrants.

Sutherland fails to understand that illegal aliens can be deported by the courts rather than serve a full sentence. For example, Michele Ramirez was “sentenced to 78 days in county jail and deportation for her role in the shooting” of Diego Mendoza (see http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/705309408/Police-briefs.html). Was 78 days a full sentence for a role in murder had deportation not been an option? If not, then she is underreported in the county jail system. If the sentence would have been more than year, Michele Ramirez is completely unaccounted for in the state system as an illegal alien. These numerous flaws call into question Sutherland’s entire methodology.

Sutherland takes a snapshot rather than data for the year. They report Utah County as having only 10.1% Hispanics when bookings for all of 2008 show 23.33% Hispanic with 15.3% of all prisoners have some sort of immigration hold. Moreover, it is uncertain how Sutherland ever got 10.1%. A snapshot from January 1, 2009 has the jail at 21.1% Hispanic and another snapshot on July 1, 2009 has the rate at 22.2%.

Unfortunately, until better data is available, ethnicity must be used since race and ethnicity are often the only information available. According to the PEW Hispanic Center, 76% of illegal aliens are Hispanic (in the Utah prison system it is 85.5%) According to the PEW Hispanic Center, between38%-48% of Hispanics in Utah are illegal aliens. Until all police departments cross-deputize at least one officer, we will have to extrapolate illegal aliens from the Hispanic statistics. The only options are that illegal Hispanics are causing crime at a greater rate than the general population, legal Hispanics are committing more crime, or both categories are equally committing crime at a higher rate. It must be one of these three. I believe it is the first.

Ironically, Sutherland’s own data shows that Hispanics commit crime at roughly 50% higher than the general population. If Sutherland’s research is correct and illegal aliens do not commit crimes at a higher rate than the general population, then Sutherland is asserting that Legal Hispanics have a higher crime rate than illegal Hispanics. Does Sutherland really believe this? I certainly do not. This is precisely why so many legal Hispanics are against illegal immigration. Legal immigrants have gone through a screening process. Foreign students have as well. It only makes sense that legal immigrants have lower crime rate otherwise the U.S. is wasting a lot of money at embassies throughout the world.

Unfortunately this questionable methodology is a continuation of Sutherland’s faulty research last year of trying to use illegal alien population state prison population as proof that illegal aliens do not commit crime at a higher rate than the general population. Sutherland did not take into account lagging statistics (someone does not commit crime or get caught immediately - before an illegal alien gets sent to state prison, one may receive a lighter sentence for the first few offenses or deported during the criminal justice process). Federal prisons have now reached 40% Hispanic but this is only after years of increase in the Hispanic population in general (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705293233,00.html).

Although Sutherland has been told about their erroneous interpretations regarding state prison population demographics, they have not yet addressed them. A much better indicator of crime would be arrest rates which show a dramatically higher rate of crime for Hispanics. Admittedly, these statistics may be uncomfortable for some, but it is our responsibility to deal with the “facts” and have an honest conservation about the problems this state faces. Political correctness is destroying this nation. I have attached information received from BCI about the arrest rates for Utah as a whole, Salt Lake City, West Valley City and Provo City.

The Deseret News Editorial

The recent Deseret New Editorial shows the lack of willingness on the part of the media to properly research and is in danger of losing all credibility as an unbiased informational source. They mentioned litigation of the Oklahoma bill, but failed to mention that only a small portion of the bill is being litigated. The Ninth Circuit, arguably the most liberal court in the nation, has already upheld as constitutional the entire Arizona Law which included the provisions challenged in Oklahoma. The Eighth Circuit has upheld a Missouri Law with similar provisions.

The Deseret News has failed to headline that Utah now has the fastest growing illegal immigrant population in the United States according to the Pew Hispanic Center. What they do not print shows just as much bias as what they do. According to Utah Department of Corrections, in 2008, 9.1% of those processed for murder in the state correctional system were illegal aliens. Illegal immigrants have nearly twice the number of children than the general population. How are we going to pay for this? With a $700 million state deficit looming for 2011, which programs are we going to cut or which taxes are we going to raise?

The Salt Lake Police Department – False and Misleading Information

Of greatest concern, however, is my recent experience of my GRAMA request with the Salt Lake City Police Department. I was given false and misleading information which should concern everyone. We may disagree on solutions for illegal immigration but we should at least agree that we as legislators should be given correct information and that police departments should not be misleading the public. Public perception about the integrity of all of Utah law enforcement departments depends on this.

On April 21st, I requested information to substantiate Chief Burbank’s comments on KSL radio where he was asked by Doug Wright about whether or not most of the crime was committed by “these folks.” Chief Burbank responded,
That is absolutely not based in fact. We arrest by far, more Caucasian males than any other population. In fact, one of the things we have done since the early 90’s is document our racial profiling concerns and so every single traffic stop, every single arrest, every report, every interaction our police officers have, we document. We are not dealing with, especially the undocumented but Hispanic individuals, at a higher rate than anyone else and the population in general. And we have proven that time and time again.
Doug Wright:
So we are talking per capita here.
Chief Burbank:
Yes, per capita. Yes. This is not the case.
Since Chief Burbank was actively campaigning against SB 81, I asked that pursuant to Utah Code 63G-2-204(3)(a) SLCPD respond to my GRAMA request within five business days. After seven days, I called to express concern and was told that the city attorney would be in the next day and that I would have to talk to her. I was surprised about the seemingly little concern about breaking the law. I asked legal council to call who was given a similar run-a-around, but after expressing concern about violations of the law, was told that the information would be forthcoming the next day. The next day, I received nothing.

On May 1st, I received a response which included the statement that “Chief Burbank’s statements were given as his opinion or belief and were not a recitation of statistical records.” (see attached GRAMA documents) Additionally, I received a document that stated that in 2008 Adult Arrests by SLCPD were 24.53% Hispanic and 75.47% Non-Hispanic.

Not satisfied with the answer, I requested all information used to produce the statistics and the percentage separated by category of crime. On June 2nd, the Salt Police Department also finally admitted that “The SLCPD does not keep race or ethnicity data on general police contacts that do not result in arrest” despite what Chief Burbank had said on the radio.

What was most troubling, however, is what the new data showed. It showed that SLCPD had included “Unknown” in the “Non-Hispanic” column the month before thus greatly skewing the data. “Unknown” are not “Non-Hispanic.” While 24.53% Hispanic is higher than the general population (despite the Chief’s claim) it is not so dramatic. But divide ”Hispanic” by “Hispanic” plus “Non-Hispanic” as any reasonable person would and the results become startling. The SLCPD’s own data shows that in 2008 44.25% of the crime in Salt Lake City was committed by Hispanics. To verify this, I contacted BCI which had the total crime in Salt Lake City as 46.78% with 81.82% of the murders and 75% of rapes being committed by Hispanics (see attached spreadsheet).

In other words, the information I received on May 2 was a lie (Webster’s Dictionary defines a lie as “anything that gives or is meant to give a false impression.”) This misinformation was given to an elected official trying to counter the arguments made by the police chief affecting legislation that the Utah Legislature deemed in the best interest of Utah and most Utahns agreed with (77% according to a Salt Lake Tribune poll). Giving misinformation is corruption which should concern everyone and unfortunately casts a shadow on all law enforcement agencies.

Had “white males” been any other group and such false information given about them, there would have been outrage. It is frightening when the rule of law does not seem to matter with those responsible for enforcing the law. I believe that such actions are against P.O.S.T. Code of Conduct in Utah which requires officers to keep “public faith.” Giving misinformation does not keep public trust. No police chief should see themselves above the law. The police chief’s job is to follow the law and maintain a civil society.

Chief Burbank also called SB 81 inhumane which shows complete ignorance of the world in which we live. Inhumane, is being forced to squat, having a stick stuck between your arms and legs, hung upside down, having your feet beaten to a bloody pulp and then being forced to walk a mile on a gravel road. It is watching your brother shot in front of you, having to chant “red terror” while watching teenagers shot to create fear, or having to adopt your niece and nephew because your brother and sister-in-law were assassinated on their front door step. Inhumane is having your cousin die in Kenya a year ago as a refugee while waiting five years to come this country legally because the United States currently has so many illegal aliens. These experiences all happened to my business partner. With all due respect, SB 81 does not compare.

Many refugees are also members of our community. These and other legal immigrants will be hampered in their efforts to bring their families and relatives by the continuing tolerance of illegal immigration. These groups should fear the police chief’s lack of actions. The chief’s actions will lead to more racial division rather than less, but instead, Chief Burbank continues to propagate that those in favor of SB 81 are against immigration. This is simply not true.

Chief Burbank fails to understand what it takes to keep a civil society. Respect for the rule of law is tantamount to this. Individuals obey laws that they may not like because they know that others will obey laws that others may not like. Otherwise, anarchy occurs where as one former Utah Supreme Court Chief Justice said, “everyone has a thousand oppressors.”

Chief Burbank and others have failed to paint the full picture about the extent of crime and now we have a major problem on our hands. Had he and the media not seen illegal immigration as victimless crime earlier, we would not be in the position that we are today.

Chief Burbank recently compared enforcement of SB 81 to Nazi Germany (Salt Lake Tribune – July 3, 2009). This is hyperbole at its greatest, but if comparisons to Nazi Germany must be made then it is important to remember that Nazism began as a police state. A police state begins when the police decide what is right or wrong rather than the duly elected leaders because an ideology or power becomes more important than the truth. This is exactly what Chief Burbank is doing. My wife, a legal immigrant said “he is putting his philosophy over the facts.”

We may not agree on everything or on how to solve the problem and prevent the problem from growing, but we should be able to agree that a police chief should provide accurate information and not let personal agendas get in way of the truth. The only way we can solve the situation is by having an honest, open conversation about the consequences of illegal immigration. We should acknowledge that increased crime is one of them.

One might ask why a part time legislator with no personal staff should have to check out the facts and GRAMA SLCPD rather than the press, but that is a question for another day.

As most of you know by now, increased crime is not my main reason for opposing illegal immigration (although it is a core constitutional responsibility of ours). Tolerating illegal immigration is wrong because it harms many legal immigrants and punishes those desperately trying to come here legally. In 2002, 13 million people applied for the 55,000 U.S. Green Card lottery slots. Where is the “compassion” for the 99.6% that did not receive a green card? Last year, 6.5 million potential immigrants applied. This is the greatest country in the world. We should not decide citizenship based on the willingness to rob others or break the law. This cheapens citizenship.

The media and other elites are in danger of losing all credibility with the public. According to poll in the Salt Lake Tribune, 78% of the citizens in Utah want SB 81 enforced. When will the elites realize that most Utahns are tired of being called racist, uncompassionate, or unchristian simply because they want the law enforced and believe that it is wrong to discriminate against the millions of people trying to come to this country legally?

I have attached the information I received from SLCPD as well as the statistics I received from BCI. The information should concern everyone. (I added the column on % of Hispanics using Hispanics and Non-Hispanics as the denominator – not including “Unknown Ethnicity”). I have also included information which shows how dramatically different U.S. immigration trends are today. This greatly concerns many legal immigrants as well as many potential legal immigrants.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

But of course none of this changes the fact that SB81 places the duties of federal agencies on our already overburdened law enforcement, fosters a negative environment for ALL immigrants, and was passed only because it was submitted in an election year and our legislature dared not oppose it. Herrod can find offense wherever he may look, and has done a bit of cherry picking himself in this essay, but no amount of defense will make this legislation a good idea, or something that is good for Utah.

7/10/2009 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an excellent analysis. No one argues that Hispanics, legal or illegal, have higher crime rates than the overall population. National and state statistics have demonstrated this for years. As Herrod points out, the only conclusion one could draw, if one were to assume that Sutherland's counterintuitive claims are correct, is that native-born Hispanics have a higher crime rate than Hispanics that have immigrated illegally.

Sutherland has sacrificed what little credibility it has to get accolades from the propagandists like Doug Wright and the Salt Lake Tribune.

Utah desperately needs a real conservative think tank.

7/10/2009 9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to say this, because I'm not Chris Herrod's biggest fan lately, but he is absolutely correct.

It is racist to insinuate that illegal alien crime rates are no worse than hispanic crime rates. It is also false, and quite dishonest, by ANY measure, to claim that white males are arrested at the same, or higher rate than illegal aliens.

What a bunch of BS. Sounds like Salt Lake needs a new police chief; this one lost all credibility, the Deseret News lost it years ago, as did Doug Wright, and the Mayor's Office is, quite frankly, delusional at best, but most likely, dishonest.

7/11/2009 12:18 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

This letter is pretty damning for those who maintain that the bill is not racist. Although it is true that crime rates are higher for Hispanics, is that a reason to try and limit the number of Hispanics in the state? Does this mean that the main reason to try and enforce stricter immigration rules is to reduce the number of Hispanics?

7/14/2009 7:11 AM  
Anonymous Representative Herrod said...

Mike misses the point of the third to the last paragraph. SB 81 will make it less likely that racism will occur when seen as a whole. Simply because one is a minority does not mean that a minority cannot discriminate against another. A policy that which benefits one minority at the expense of another minority is still racism. The fact of the matter is that by not enforcing our immigration laws we have allowed institutional racism. One ethnic group, which constitutes less than 7% of the world’s population is getting 81% of the “benefit” of illegal immigration. This is the very definition of institutional racism. Where is the concern about the discrimination of the Russian Jew, the Ukrainian, the Ethiopian, or person from Southeast Asia?

7/14/2009 9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The goal is not reduce the number of Hispanics. The goal is to reduce the number of those in poverty, and you can't reduce the number of those in poverty if you allow high level of immigration from poor countries.

I would hope that we could agree on this one point: reducing poverty is a worthwhile goal. However, there are two approaches. Your approach is tax the rich and big business to fund massive government poverty programs to eliminate poverty. Unfortunately, these programs don't work too well.

The other approach is to restrict immigration from poor countries so we don't keep adding to the number of poor people.

7/16/2009 7:17 PM  
Blogger CHARLES F. said...

We could solve this issue if all would just admit that no one has a right to be here illegally, period. Instead, I guess we will cost the taxpayers boat loads of money with one program after another that will do no good and virtually use up the alphabet with this B.S.. Didn't the Feds try the amnesty thing once already to keep from having to make a decision? And compassion? What happened to the taxpayers who have no say in this but to pay through the nose for illegal behavior. Like I said, no one has a right to be here illegally, period!

7/20/2009 3:43 PM  
Anonymous The Sutherland Institute said...

Dear Representatives and Senators,

Sutherland would like to follow-up on Representative Herrod’s concern about the presence of “state-contract inmates” in the county-jail data that we reported in Just the Facts. As we understand his concern, it is that the numbers of inmates reported to Sutherland by county jails included state-contract inmates and, hence, these inmates were “double-counted,” making the figure of 3.9 percent undocumented inmates too low.

Representative Herrod is correct that inmates being held in county jails for the state are included in our report. However, those inmates were not double-counted. To double-count them, we would have had to add two groups together, which we did not do. We simply reported the county-jail figures as they were reported to us.

For example, if we had added the county-jail figures to state-prison data, state-contract inmates would have been double-counted because they would have been included in both groups. However, Sutherland did not add them together, specifically because that would have been double-counting of state-contract inmates.

Further, the “state-contract” distinction is irrelevant to the points we made in Just the Facts. Sutherland’s primary purposes in surveying county jails were to answer two questions: 1) does data from county jails suggest that illegal immigrants are a major source of crime in Utah? and 2) is it valid to claim that the size of the undocumented population in county jails justifies a “solution,” such as SB 81, to any specific “problem”?

The answers to these questions do not require a distinction between “regular” county inmates and county inmates “under contract” for the state. The answers only require knowing how many inmates are in county jails and how many of those inmates are undocumented. As we reported in Just the Facts, the county-jail data shows that, in fact, illegal immigrants are not a major source of crime in the state, nor does their presence in county jails present a “problem” that needs to be solved.

Lastly, the state-contract status is irrelevant in its practical impact on the numbers we reported. To illustrate, we recalculated the figures reported in Just the Facts and removed state-contract inmates from the total county-jail inmate figures, using state-contract inmate data obtained from Representative Herrod. The resulting percentage of undocumented county-jail inmates is 5.2 percent. In other words, even if all state-contract inmates are removed, the data still suggests that undocumented immigrants are not a major source of crime. We hope this helps clarify the question of state-contract inmate status.

-- Sutherland Institute

10/13/2009 4:04 PM  

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